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@ 2011-04-02 11:41 Zoltán Kócsi
  2011-04-02 15:31 ` Juergen Beisert
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 4+ messages in thread
From: Zoltán Kócsi @ 2011-04-02 11:41 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: barebox

I've got two issues. One is barebox related:

Does the current git master branch supposed to boot from NAND?
Download, config (mini2440 defconfig + very little personalisation),
compile. Boot from NAND *is* enabled in the config.

Load to RAM and start: starts up just fine.
Boot from NAND: nothing.

I looked at the actual binary image with objdump -d and it seems to
initialise the PLL, the SDRAM controller and load the NAND into the
RAM, then jump onto it. All that code is within the 4K StepStone range.
However, nothing happens, the board is dead.

The other problem is not barebox related, but considering the audience
of the list someone might have some ideas.

Linux kernel, 2.6.37.2. Defconfig for mini2440. A fairly minimalistic
kernel is then configured, dev. drivers for on-board stuff are static,
everything else is modules. Low-level debug messages are enabled.

Booting the kernel (using vivi...) hangs, just after the console is
initialised:

Copy linux kernel from 0x00060000 to 0x30008000, size = 0x002a0000 ...
done
zImage magic = 0x016f2818
Setup linux parameters at 0x30000100
linux command line is: "noinitrd root=/dev/mtdblock3 init=/linuxrc
console=ttySAC0,115200"
MACH_TYPE = 1999
NOW, Booting Linux......
Uncompressing Linux... done, booting the kernel.
s3c24xx_serial_initconsole
s3c24xx_serial_init_ports: initialising ports...
s3c24xx_serial_init_port: port=c03a6378, platdev=c03b9ab0
s3c24xx_serial_init_port: c03a6378 (hw 0)...
resource c0397b10 (50000000..50003fff)
port: map=50000000, mem=f7000000, irq=70 (70,71), clock=1
s3c2440_serial_resetport: port=c03a6378 (50000000), cfg=c03b9a24
s3c24xx_serial_init_port: port=c03a6434, platdev=c0398d00
s3c24xx_serial_init_port: c03a6434 (hw 1)...
resource c0397b48 (50004000..50007fff)
port: map=50004000, mem=f7004000, irq=73 (73,74), clock=1
s3c2440_serial_resetport: port=c03a6434 (50004000), cfg=c03b9a44
s3c24xx_serial_init_port: port=c03a64f0, platdev=c0398db8
s3c24xx_serial_init_port: c03a64f0 (hw 2)...
resource c0397b80 (50008000..5000bfff)
port: map=50008000, mem=f7008000, irq=76 (76,77), clock=1
s3c2440_serial_resetport: port=c03a64f0 (50008000), cfg=c03b9a64
s3c24xx_serial_init(c03a665c,c03a6628)
s3c2440_serial_probe: dev=c03b9ab0
s3c24xx_serial_probe(c03b9ab0, c03a6628) 0
s3c24xx_serial_probe: initialising port c03a6354...
s3c24xx_serial_init_port: port=c03a6378, platdev=c03b9ab0
s3c24xx_serial_probe: adding port
s3c2440_serial_probe: dev=c0398d00
s3c24xx_serial_probe(c0398d00, c03a6628) 1
s3c24xx_serial_probe: initialising port c03a6410...
s3c24xx_serial_init_port: port=c03a6434, platdev=c0398d00
s3c24xx_serial_probe: adding port
s3c2440_serial_probe: dev=c0398db8
s3c24xx_serial_probe(c0398db8, c03a6628) 2
s3c24xx_serial_probe: initialising port c03a64cc...
s3c24xx_serial_init_port: port=c03a64f0, platdev=c0398db8
s3c24xx_serial_probe: adding port

and then nothing. A LED on the board is blinking (two blinks, maybe
100ms apart, then about 200ms pause) but nothing comes out of the
serial port. The LCD backlight is off and there doesn't seem to be
either a splash image or debug info on it (console on LCD is enabled).

The build environment is the latest buildroot, 4.5.2 gcc, 0.9.31 uClibc,
everything is built from scratch (that's actually the aim of the whole
excercise, to build a working Linux system on a Mini2440 HW from clean,
up-to-date sources, not pre-built toolchains and pre-compiled packages
or binary images).

Any pointers would be highly appreciated.

Thanks,

Zoltan

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* Re: Mini2440 questions
  2011-04-02 11:41 Mini2440 questions Zoltán Kócsi
@ 2011-04-02 15:31 ` Juergen Beisert
  2011-04-02 16:44   ` Belisko Marek
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 4+ messages in thread
From: Juergen Beisert @ 2011-04-02 15:31 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: barebox

Hi Zoltán,

Zoltán Kócsi wrote:
> I've got two issues. One is barebox related:
>
> Does the current git master branch supposed to boot from NAND?
> Download, config (mini2440 defconfig + very little personalisation),
> compile. Boot from NAND *is* enabled in the config.

As long Sascha release a new barebox, the NAND boot feature of the mini2440 is 
still in next. Its going to be released in the May release.

So, you must still use the 'next' branch to get all S3C2440 related NAND boot 
changes.

> Load to RAM and start: starts up just fine.
> Boot from NAND: nothing.

Sure. The NAND driver for the S3C2440 CPU is still broken for other NAND types 
than small page ones.

> I looked at the actual binary image with objdump -d and it seems to
> initialise the PLL, the SDRAM controller and load the NAND into the
> RAM, then jump onto it. All that code is within the 4K StepStone range.
> However, nothing happens, the board is dead.

Yes, because the S3C2440 NAND driver loads the wrong content from the NAND.

> The other problem is not barebox related, but considering the audience
> of the list someone might have some ideas.
>
> Linux kernel, 2.6.37.2. Defconfig for mini2440. A fairly minimalistic
> kernel is then configured, dev. drivers for on-board stuff are static,
> everything else is modules. Low-level debug messages are enabled.
>
> Booting the kernel (using vivi...) hangs, just after the console is
> initialised:
>
> Copy linux kernel from 0x00060000 to 0x30008000, size = 0x002a0000 ...
> done
> zImage magic = 0x016f2818
> Setup linux parameters at 0x30000100
> linux command line is: "noinitrd root=/dev/mtdblock3 init=/linuxrc
> console=ttySAC0,115200"
> MACH_TYPE = 1999
> NOW, Booting Linux......
> Uncompressing Linux... done, booting the kernel.
> s3c24xx_serial_initconsole
> s3c24xx_serial_init_ports: initialising ports...
> s3c24xx_serial_init_port: port=c03a6378, platdev=c03b9ab0
> s3c24xx_serial_init_port: c03a6378 (hw 0)...
> resource c0397b10 (50000000..50003fff)
> port: map=50000000, mem=f7000000, irq=70 (70,71), clock=1
> s3c2440_serial_resetport: port=c03a6378 (50000000), cfg=c03b9a24
> s3c24xx_serial_init_port: port=c03a6434, platdev=c0398d00
> s3c24xx_serial_init_port: c03a6434 (hw 1)...
> resource c0397b48 (50004000..50007fff)
> port: map=50004000, mem=f7004000, irq=73 (73,74), clock=1
> s3c2440_serial_resetport: port=c03a6434 (50004000), cfg=c03b9a44
> s3c24xx_serial_init_port: port=c03a64f0, platdev=c0398db8
> s3c24xx_serial_init_port: c03a64f0 (hw 2)...
> resource c0397b80 (50008000..5000bfff)
> port: map=50008000, mem=f7008000, irq=76 (76,77), clock=1
> s3c2440_serial_resetport: port=c03a64f0 (50008000), cfg=c03b9a64
> s3c24xx_serial_init(c03a665c,c03a6628)
> s3c2440_serial_probe: dev=c03b9ab0
> s3c24xx_serial_probe(c03b9ab0, c03a6628) 0
> s3c24xx_serial_probe: initialising port c03a6354...
> s3c24xx_serial_init_port: port=c03a6378, platdev=c03b9ab0
> s3c24xx_serial_probe: adding port
> s3c2440_serial_probe: dev=c0398d00
> s3c24xx_serial_probe(c0398d00, c03a6628) 1
> s3c24xx_serial_probe: initialising port c03a6410...
> s3c24xx_serial_init_port: port=c03a6434, platdev=c0398d00
> s3c24xx_serial_probe: adding port
> s3c2440_serial_probe: dev=c0398db8
> s3c24xx_serial_probe(c0398db8, c03a6628) 2
> s3c24xx_serial_probe: initialising port c03a64cc...
> s3c24xx_serial_init_port: port=c03a64f0, platdev=c0398db8
> s3c24xx_serial_probe: adding port
>
> and then nothing. A LED on the board is blinking (two blinks, maybe
> 100ms apart, then about 200ms pause) but nothing comes out of the
> serial port. The LCD backlight is off and there doesn't seem to be
> either a splash image or debug info on it (console on LCD is enabled).
>
> The build environment is the latest buildroot, 4.5.2 gcc, 0.9.31 uClibc,
> everything is built from scratch (that's actually the aim of the whole
> excercise, to build a working Linux system on a Mini2440 HW from clean,
> up-to-date sources, not pre-built toolchains and pre-compiled packages
> or binary images).
>
> Any pointers would be highly appreciated.

1) do you use the mini2440 kernel command line parameter?

In the 'next' branch I added this comment into mini2440's config:
#
# "mini2440" kernel parameter
# 0 .. 9 = screen type
# b = backlight enabled
# t = touch enabled
# c = camera enabled
# Note: can be "minit2440= " if nothing of these components are connected
#
bootargs="console=ttySAC0,115200 mini2440=0tbc"

2) in 2.6.37 and 2.6.38 the serial console name is totally broken. There is a 
patch around to fix it.

From: Darius Augulis <augulis.darius@gmail.com>
Subject: serial: samsung: fix device name

Without this patch you must use a serial UART name of "/dev/s3c2410_serial0" 
to make it work. Ugly.

I will send you this patch offline.

Regards,
Juergen

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* Re: Mini2440 questions
  2011-04-02 15:31 ` Juergen Beisert
@ 2011-04-02 16:44   ` Belisko Marek
  2011-04-02 17:08     ` Juergen Beisert
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 4+ messages in thread
From: Belisko Marek @ 2011-04-02 16:44 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Juergen Beisert; +Cc: barebox

On Sat, Apr 2, 2011 at 5:31 PM, Juergen Beisert <jbe@pengutronix.de> wrote:
> Hi Zoltán,
>
> Zoltán Kócsi wrote:
>> I've got two issues. One is barebox related:
>>
>> Does the current git master branch supposed to boot from NAND?
>> Download, config (mini2440 defconfig + very little personalisation),
>> compile. Boot from NAND *is* enabled in the config.
>
> As long Sascha release a new barebox, the NAND boot feature of the mini2440 is
> still in next. Its going to be released in the May release.
>
> So, you must still use the 'next' branch to get all S3C2440 related NAND boot
> changes.
>
>> Load to RAM and start: starts up just fine.
>> Boot from NAND: nothing.
>
> Sure. The NAND driver for the S3C2440 CPU is still broken for other NAND types
> than small page ones.
>
>> I looked at the actual binary image with objdump -d and it seems to
>> initialise the PLL, the SDRAM controller and load the NAND into the
>> RAM, then jump onto it. All that code is within the 4K StepStone range.
>> However, nothing happens, the board is dead.
>
> Yes, because the S3C2440 NAND driver loads the wrong content from the NAND.
>
>> The other problem is not barebox related, but considering the audience
>> of the list someone might have some ideas.
>>
>> Linux kernel, 2.6.37.2. Defconfig for mini2440. A fairly minimalistic
>> kernel is then configured, dev. drivers for on-board stuff are static,
>> everything else is modules. Low-level debug messages are enabled.
>>
>> Booting the kernel (using vivi...) hangs, just after the console is
>> initialised:
>>
>> Copy linux kernel from 0x00060000 to 0x30008000, size = 0x002a0000 ...
>> done
>> zImage magic = 0x016f2818
>> Setup linux parameters at 0x30000100
>> linux command line is: "noinitrd root=/dev/mtdblock3 init=/linuxrc
>> console=ttySAC0,115200"
>> MACH_TYPE = 1999
>> NOW, Booting Linux......
>> Uncompressing Linux... done, booting the kernel.
>> s3c24xx_serial_initconsole
>> s3c24xx_serial_init_ports: initialising ports...
>> s3c24xx_serial_init_port: port=c03a6378, platdev=c03b9ab0
>> s3c24xx_serial_init_port: c03a6378 (hw 0)...
>> resource c0397b10 (50000000..50003fff)
>> port: map=50000000, mem=f7000000, irq=70 (70,71), clock=1
>> s3c2440_serial_resetport: port=c03a6378 (50000000), cfg=c03b9a24
>> s3c24xx_serial_init_port: port=c03a6434, platdev=c0398d00
>> s3c24xx_serial_init_port: c03a6434 (hw 1)...
>> resource c0397b48 (50004000..50007fff)
>> port: map=50004000, mem=f7004000, irq=73 (73,74), clock=1
>> s3c2440_serial_resetport: port=c03a6434 (50004000), cfg=c03b9a44
>> s3c24xx_serial_init_port: port=c03a64f0, platdev=c0398db8
>> s3c24xx_serial_init_port: c03a64f0 (hw 2)...
>> resource c0397b80 (50008000..5000bfff)
>> port: map=50008000, mem=f7008000, irq=76 (76,77), clock=1
>> s3c2440_serial_resetport: port=c03a64f0 (50008000), cfg=c03b9a64
>> s3c24xx_serial_init(c03a665c,c03a6628)
>> s3c2440_serial_probe: dev=c03b9ab0
>> s3c24xx_serial_probe(c03b9ab0, c03a6628) 0
>> s3c24xx_serial_probe: initialising port c03a6354...
>> s3c24xx_serial_init_port: port=c03a6378, platdev=c03b9ab0
>> s3c24xx_serial_probe: adding port
>> s3c2440_serial_probe: dev=c0398d00
>> s3c24xx_serial_probe(c0398d00, c03a6628) 1
>> s3c24xx_serial_probe: initialising port c03a6410...
>> s3c24xx_serial_init_port: port=c03a6434, platdev=c0398d00
>> s3c24xx_serial_probe: adding port
>> s3c2440_serial_probe: dev=c0398db8
>> s3c24xx_serial_probe(c0398db8, c03a6628) 2
>> s3c24xx_serial_probe: initialising port c03a64cc...
>> s3c24xx_serial_init_port: port=c03a64f0, platdev=c0398db8
>> s3c24xx_serial_probe: adding port
>>
>> and then nothing. A LED on the board is blinking (two blinks, maybe
>> 100ms apart, then about 200ms pause) but nothing comes out of the
>> serial port. The LCD backlight is off and there doesn't seem to be
>> either a splash image or debug info on it (console on LCD is enabled).
>>
>> The build environment is the latest buildroot, 4.5.2 gcc, 0.9.31 uClibc,
>> everything is built from scratch (that's actually the aim of the whole
>> excercise, to build a working Linux system on a Mini2440 HW from clean,
>> up-to-date sources, not pre-built toolchains and pre-compiled packages
>> or binary images).
>>
>> Any pointers would be highly appreciated.
>
> 1) do you use the mini2440 kernel command line parameter?
>
> In the 'next' branch I added this comment into mini2440's config:
> #
> # "mini2440" kernel parameter
> # 0 .. 9 = screen type
> # b = backlight enabled
> # t = touch enabled
> # c = camera enabled
> # Note: can be "minit2440= " if nothing of these components are connected
> #
> bootargs="console=ttySAC0,115200 mini2440=0tbc"
>
> 2) in 2.6.37 and 2.6.38 the serial console name is totally broken. There is a
> patch around to fix it.
Not sure about that. I post latest updates last week to lkml and still
use ttySAC0 and
everything booting fine (at least with 2.6.39)
>
> From: Darius Augulis <augulis.darius@gmail.com>
> Subject: serial: samsung: fix device name
>
> Without this patch you must use a serial UART name of "/dev/s3c2410_serial0"
> to make it work. Ugly.
>
> I will send you this patch offline.
>
> Regards,
> Juergen
>
> --
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> Linux Solutions for Science and Industry      | Phone: +49-8766-939 228     |
> Vertretung Sued/Muenchen, Germany             | Fax:   +49-5121-206917-5555 |
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regards,

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* Re: Mini2440 questions
  2011-04-02 16:44   ` Belisko Marek
@ 2011-04-02 17:08     ` Juergen Beisert
  0 siblings, 0 replies; 4+ messages in thread
From: Juergen Beisert @ 2011-04-02 17:08 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Belisko Marek; +Cc: barebox

Belisko Marek wrote:
> On Sat, Apr 2, 2011 at 5:31 PM, Juergen Beisert <jbe@pengutronix.de> wrote:
> > Hi Zoltán,
> >
> > Zoltán Kócsi wrote:
> >> I've got two issues. One is barebox related:
> >>
> >> Does the current git master branch supposed to boot from NAND?
> >> Download, config (mini2440 defconfig + very little personalisation),
> >> compile. Boot from NAND *is* enabled in the config.
> >
> > As long Sascha release a new barebox, the NAND boot feature of the
> > mini2440 is still in next. Its going to be released in the May release.
> >
> > So, you must still use the 'next' branch to get all S3C2440 related NAND
> > boot changes.
> >
> >> Load to RAM and start: starts up just fine.
> >> Boot from NAND: nothing.
> >
> > Sure. The NAND driver for the S3C2440 CPU is still broken for other NAND
> > types than small page ones.
> >
> >> I looked at the actual binary image with objdump -d and it seems to
> >> initialise the PLL, the SDRAM controller and load the NAND into the
> >> RAM, then jump onto it. All that code is within the 4K StepStone range.
> >> However, nothing happens, the board is dead.
> >
> > Yes, because the S3C2440 NAND driver loads the wrong content from the
> > NAND.
> >
> >> The other problem is not barebox related, but considering the audience
> >> of the list someone might have some ideas.
> >>
> >> Linux kernel, 2.6.37.2. Defconfig for mini2440. A fairly minimalistic
> >> kernel is then configured, dev. drivers for on-board stuff are static,
> >> everything else is modules. Low-level debug messages are enabled.
> >>
> >> Booting the kernel (using vivi...) hangs, just after the console is
> >> initialised:
> >>
> >> Copy linux kernel from 0x00060000 to 0x30008000, size = 0x002a0000 ...
> >> done
> >> zImage magic = 0x016f2818
> >> Setup linux parameters at 0x30000100
> >> linux command line is: "noinitrd root=/dev/mtdblock3 init=/linuxrc
> >> console=ttySAC0,115200"
> >> MACH_TYPE = 1999
> >> NOW, Booting Linux......
> >> Uncompressing Linux... done, booting the kernel.
> >> s3c24xx_serial_initconsole
> >> s3c24xx_serial_init_ports: initialising ports...
> >> s3c24xx_serial_init_port: port=c03a6378, platdev=c03b9ab0
> >> s3c24xx_serial_init_port: c03a6378 (hw 0)...
> >> resource c0397b10 (50000000..50003fff)
> >> port: map=50000000, mem=f7000000, irq=70 (70,71), clock=1
> >> s3c2440_serial_resetport: port=c03a6378 (50000000), cfg=c03b9a24
> >> s3c24xx_serial_init_port: port=c03a6434, platdev=c0398d00
> >> s3c24xx_serial_init_port: c03a6434 (hw 1)...
> >> resource c0397b48 (50004000..50007fff)
> >> port: map=50004000, mem=f7004000, irq=73 (73,74), clock=1
> >> s3c2440_serial_resetport: port=c03a6434 (50004000), cfg=c03b9a44
> >> s3c24xx_serial_init_port: port=c03a64f0, platdev=c0398db8
> >> s3c24xx_serial_init_port: c03a64f0 (hw 2)...
> >> resource c0397b80 (50008000..5000bfff)
> >> port: map=50008000, mem=f7008000, irq=76 (76,77), clock=1
> >> s3c2440_serial_resetport: port=c03a64f0 (50008000), cfg=c03b9a64
> >> s3c24xx_serial_init(c03a665c,c03a6628)
> >> s3c2440_serial_probe: dev=c03b9ab0
> >> s3c24xx_serial_probe(c03b9ab0, c03a6628) 0
> >> s3c24xx_serial_probe: initialising port c03a6354...
> >> s3c24xx_serial_init_port: port=c03a6378, platdev=c03b9ab0
> >> s3c24xx_serial_probe: adding port
> >> s3c2440_serial_probe: dev=c0398d00
> >> s3c24xx_serial_probe(c0398d00, c03a6628) 1
> >> s3c24xx_serial_probe: initialising port c03a6410...
> >> s3c24xx_serial_init_port: port=c03a6434, platdev=c0398d00
> >> s3c24xx_serial_probe: adding port
> >> s3c2440_serial_probe: dev=c0398db8
> >> s3c24xx_serial_probe(c0398db8, c03a6628) 2
> >> s3c24xx_serial_probe: initialising port c03a64cc...
> >> s3c24xx_serial_init_port: port=c03a64f0, platdev=c0398db8
> >> s3c24xx_serial_probe: adding port
> >>
> >> and then nothing. A LED on the board is blinking (two blinks, maybe
> >> 100ms apart, then about 200ms pause) but nothing comes out of the
> >> serial port. The LCD backlight is off and there doesn't seem to be
> >> either a splash image or debug info on it (console on LCD is enabled).
> >>
> >> The build environment is the latest buildroot, 4.5.2 gcc, 0.9.31 uClibc,
> >> everything is built from scratch (that's actually the aim of the whole
> >> excercise, to build a working Linux system on a Mini2440 HW from clean,
> >> up-to-date sources, not pre-built toolchains and pre-compiled packages
> >> or binary images).
> >>
> >> Any pointers would be highly appreciated.
> >
> > 1) do you use the mini2440 kernel command line parameter?
> >
> > In the 'next' branch I added this comment into mini2440's config:
> > #
> > # "mini2440" kernel parameter
> > # 0 .. 9 = screen type
> > # b = backlight enabled
> > # t = touch enabled
> > # c = camera enabled
> > # Note: can be "minit2440= " if nothing of these components are connected
> > #
> > bootargs="console=ttySAC0,115200 mini2440=0tbc"
> >
> > 2) in 2.6.37 and 2.6.38 the serial console name is totally broken. There
> > is a patch around to fix it.
>
> Not sure about that. I post latest updates last week to lkml and still
> use ttySAC0 and everything booting fine (at least with 2.6.39)

Oh, my mistake. Only in 2.6.37 its broken and needs a patch. Since 2.6.38 its 
fixed.

Juergen

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