* Barebox working on freescale-mx25-3-stack? @ 2010-03-23 13:32 Matthias Kaehlcke 2010-03-23 13:38 ` Eric Bénard 2010-03-23 14:26 ` Sascha Hauer 0 siblings, 2 replies; 13+ messages in thread From: Matthias Kaehlcke @ 2010-03-23 13:32 UTC (permalink / raw) To: barebox hi, i'm trying to run barebox on a Freescale i.MX25 3-Stack board. for this purpose i built barebox with the freescale-mx25-3-stack defconfig, using the toolchain provided by the Freescale BSP (i also tried it with a custom one). i then dumped the barebox.bin on a MMC card, plugged the card into the socket of the board and switched the board on, but nothing happened :( booting u-boot or redboot from MMC succeeds, so the settings of SW21 and SW22 shouldn't be the problem is barebox supposed to work on this board or is the port still in preliminary state? best regards -- Matthias Kaehlcke Embedded Linux Developer Barcelona Nothing is more despicable than respect based on fear (Albert Camus) .''`. using free software / Debian GNU/Linux | http://debian.org : :' : `. `'` gpg --keyserver pgp.mit.edu --recv-keys 47D8E5D4 `- _______________________________________________ barebox mailing list barebox@lists.infradead.org http://lists.infradead.org/mailman/listinfo/barebox ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 13+ messages in thread
* Re: Barebox working on freescale-mx25-3-stack? 2010-03-23 13:32 Barebox working on freescale-mx25-3-stack? Matthias Kaehlcke @ 2010-03-23 13:38 ` Eric Bénard 2010-03-23 14:26 ` Sascha Hauer 1 sibling, 0 replies; 13+ messages in thread From: Eric Bénard @ 2010-03-23 13:38 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Matthias Kaehlcke; +Cc: barebox Hi Matthias, Le 23/03/2010 14:32, Matthias Kaehlcke a écrit : > i'm trying to run barebox on a Freescale i.MX25 3-Stack board. for > this purpose i built barebox with the freescale-mx25-3-stack > defconfig, using the toolchain provided by the Freescale BSP (i also > tried it with a custom one). i then dumped the barebox.bin on a MMC > card, plugged the card into the socket of the board and switched the > board on, but nothing happened :( > > booting u-boot or redboot from MMC succeeds, so the settings of SW21 > and SW22 shouldn't be the problem > > is barebox supposed to work on this board or is the port still in > preliminary state? > you can check the patch I sent last friday, it works fine on our i.MX25 board for NAND boot (MMC boot not tested yet). I'll post an updated version of the patch in a few days as per Sascha's comments + a few tuning in the env. Eric _______________________________________________ barebox mailing list barebox@lists.infradead.org http://lists.infradead.org/mailman/listinfo/barebox ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 13+ messages in thread
* Re: Barebox working on freescale-mx25-3-stack? 2010-03-23 13:32 Barebox working on freescale-mx25-3-stack? Matthias Kaehlcke 2010-03-23 13:38 ` Eric Bénard @ 2010-03-23 14:26 ` Sascha Hauer 2010-03-23 15:09 ` Matthias Kaehlcke 1 sibling, 1 reply; 13+ messages in thread From: Sascha Hauer @ 2010-03-23 14:26 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Matthias Kaehlcke; +Cc: barebox Hi Matthias, On Tue, Mar 23, 2010 at 02:32:17PM +0100, Matthias Kaehlcke wrote: > hi, > > i'm trying to run barebox on a Freescale i.MX25 3-Stack board. for > this purpose i built barebox with the freescale-mx25-3-stack > defconfig, using the toolchain provided by the Freescale BSP (i also > tried it with a custom one). i then dumped the barebox.bin on a MMC > card, plugged the card into the socket of the board and switched the > board on, but nothing happened :( I just checked, it works, but not with the current defconfig. Please enable CONFIG_ARCH_IMX_INTERNAL_BOOT to boot from MMC. Note that currently the CPLD is not initialised in barebox and so the FEC is not working (It is working if barebox runs as a second stage loader after Freescales redboot). Sascha -- Pengutronix e.K. | | Industrial Linux Solutions | http://www.pengutronix.de/ | Peiner Str. 6-8, 31137 Hildesheim, Germany | Phone: +49-5121-206917-0 | Amtsgericht Hildesheim, HRA 2686 | Fax: +49-5121-206917-5555 | _______________________________________________ barebox mailing list barebox@lists.infradead.org http://lists.infradead.org/mailman/listinfo/barebox ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 13+ messages in thread
* Re: Barebox working on freescale-mx25-3-stack? 2010-03-23 14:26 ` Sascha Hauer @ 2010-03-23 15:09 ` Matthias Kaehlcke 2010-03-23 15:31 ` Eric Bénard 2010-03-23 15:31 ` Sascha Hauer 0 siblings, 2 replies; 13+ messages in thread From: Matthias Kaehlcke @ 2010-03-23 15:09 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Sascha Hauer; +Cc: barebox hi sascha, El Tue, Mar 23, 2010 at 03:26:43PM +0100 Sascha Hauer ha dit: > On Tue, Mar 23, 2010 at 02:32:17PM +0100, Matthias Kaehlcke wrote: > > hi, > > > > i'm trying to run barebox on a Freescale i.MX25 3-Stack board. for > > this purpose i built barebox with the freescale-mx25-3-stack > > defconfig, using the toolchain provided by the Freescale BSP (i also > > tried it with a custom one). i then dumped the barebox.bin on a MMC > > card, plugged the card into the socket of the board and switched the > > board on, but nothing happened :( > > I just checked, it works, but not with the current defconfig. Please > enable CONFIG_ARCH_IMX_INTERNAL_BOOT to boot from MMC. Note that > currently the CPLD is not initialised in barebox and so the FEC is not > working (It is working if barebox runs as a second stage loader after > Freescales redboot). thanks for checking and for your reply i enabled CONFIG_ARCH_IMX_INTERNAL_BOOT, but it doesn't work either. i also tried to start barebox from NAND, but no way :( the barebox version is v2010.03.0, i forgot to mention that in my initial post if you can send me the barebox image that works on your board i'll check if it works on mine, and we'll have some more certainty about whether there is some obscure problem in my build process or my board is somehow different to yours -- Matthias Kaehlcke Embedded Linux Developer Barcelona Dreams and reality are opposites. Action synthesizes them (Assata Shakur) .''`. using free software / Debian GNU/Linux | http://debian.org : :' : `. `'` gpg --keyserver pgp.mit.edu --recv-keys 47D8E5D4 `- _______________________________________________ barebox mailing list barebox@lists.infradead.org http://lists.infradead.org/mailman/listinfo/barebox ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 13+ messages in thread
* Re: Barebox working on freescale-mx25-3-stack? 2010-03-23 15:09 ` Matthias Kaehlcke @ 2010-03-23 15:31 ` Eric Bénard 2010-03-23 16:22 ` Matthias Kaehlcke 2010-03-23 15:31 ` Sascha Hauer 1 sibling, 1 reply; 13+ messages in thread From: Eric Bénard @ 2010-03-23 15:31 UTC (permalink / raw) To: barebox Hi Matthias, Le 23/03/2010 16:09, Matthias Kaehlcke a écrit : > if you can send me the barebox image that works on your board i'll > check if it works on mine, and we'll have some more certainty about > whether there is some obscure problem in my build process or my board > is somehow different to yours > one possible diff : do you have DDR2 or Mobile DDR on your board ? Eric _______________________________________________ barebox mailing list barebox@lists.infradead.org http://lists.infradead.org/mailman/listinfo/barebox ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 13+ messages in thread
* Re: Barebox working on freescale-mx25-3-stack? 2010-03-23 15:31 ` Eric Bénard @ 2010-03-23 16:22 ` Matthias Kaehlcke 2010-03-23 16:32 ` Eric Bénard 2010-03-24 14:54 ` Ivo Clarysse 0 siblings, 2 replies; 13+ messages in thread From: Matthias Kaehlcke @ 2010-03-23 16:22 UTC (permalink / raw) To: barebox Hi Eric, El Tue, Mar 23, 2010 at 04:31:11PM +0100 Eric Bénard ha dit: > Le 23/03/2010 16:09, Matthias Kaehlcke a écrit : > >if you can send me the barebox image that works on your board i'll > >check if it works on mine, and we'll have some more certainty about > >whether there is some obscure problem in my build process or my board > >is somehow different to yours > > > one possible diff : do you have DDR2 or Mobile DDR on your board ? according to the board documentation it's DDR2 is this what barebox expects to find? -- Matthias Kaehlcke Embedded Linux Developer Barcelona Debugging is like alien abduction. Large blocks of time disappear, for which you have no explanation .''`. using free software / Debian GNU/Linux | http://debian.org : :' : `. `'` gpg --keyserver pgp.mit.edu --recv-keys 47D8E5D4 `- _______________________________________________ barebox mailing list barebox@lists.infradead.org http://lists.infradead.org/mailman/listinfo/barebox ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 13+ messages in thread
* Re: Barebox working on freescale-mx25-3-stack? 2010-03-23 16:22 ` Matthias Kaehlcke @ 2010-03-23 16:32 ` Eric Bénard 2010-03-24 14:54 ` Ivo Clarysse 1 sibling, 0 replies; 13+ messages in thread From: Eric Bénard @ 2010-03-23 16:32 UTC (permalink / raw) To: barebox Hi Matthias, Le 23/03/2010 17:22, Matthias Kaehlcke a écrit : > El Tue, Mar 23, 2010 at 04:31:11PM +0100 Eric Bénard ha dit: > >> Le 23/03/2010 16:09, Matthias Kaehlcke a écrit : >>> if you can send me the barebox image that works on your board i'll >>> check if it works on mine, and we'll have some more certainty about >>> whether there is some obscure problem in my build process or my board >>> is somehow different to yours >>> >> one possible diff : do you have DDR2 or Mobile DDR on your board ? > > according to the board documentation it's DDR2 > > is this what barebox expects to find? > for the 3stack yes (but I think there may be some 3stack with mDDR as both init sequence are in redboot for example). If you try my patch, it's for mDDR. Eric _______________________________________________ barebox mailing list barebox@lists.infradead.org http://lists.infradead.org/mailman/listinfo/barebox ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 13+ messages in thread
* Re: Barebox working on freescale-mx25-3-stack? 2010-03-23 16:22 ` Matthias Kaehlcke 2010-03-23 16:32 ` Eric Bénard @ 2010-03-24 14:54 ` Ivo Clarysse 2010-03-24 15:08 ` Matthias Kaehlcke 1 sibling, 1 reply; 13+ messages in thread From: Ivo Clarysse @ 2010-03-24 14:54 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Matthias Kaehlcke; +Cc: barebox On Tue, Mar 23, 2010 at 5:22 PM, Matthias Kaehlcke <matthias@kaehlcke.net> wrote: > according to the board documentation it's DDR2 > > is this what barebox expects to find? > I have an IMX25PDK with DDR2 memory (Samsung K4T51163QE-ZCE6). To boot barebox from an SD card, I had to apply the following patch to the current HEAD (ce2411432e23b5cc313c92278b2320bf1547c002): diff --git a/board/freescale-mx25-3-stack/3stack.c b/board/freescale-mx25-3-stack/3stack.c index 5590e55..d1f0fdc 100644 --- a/board/freescale-mx25-3-stack/3stack.c +++ b/board/freescale-mx25-3-stack/3stack.c @@ -48,17 +48,25 @@ struct imx_dcd_entry __dcd_entry_0x400 dcd_entry[] = { { .ptr_type = 4, .addr = 0xb8002050, .val = 0x0000d843, }, { .ptr_type = 4, .addr = 0xb8002054, .val = 0x22252521, }, { .ptr_type = 4, .addr = 0xb8002058, .val = 0x22220a00, }, - { .ptr_type = 4, .addr = 0xb8001010, .val = 0x00000004, }, - { .ptr_type = 4, .addr = 0xb8001000, .val = 0x92100000, }, - { .ptr_type = 1, .addr = 0x80000400, .val = 0x21, }, - { .ptr_type = 4, .addr = 0xb8001000, .val = 0xa2100000, }, - { .ptr_type = 4, .addr = 0x80000000, .val = 0x12344321, }, - { .ptr_type = 4, .addr = 0x80000000, .val = 0x12344321, }, - { .ptr_type = 4, .addr = 0xb8001000, .val = 0xb2100000, }, - { .ptr_type = 1, .addr = 0x80000033, .val = 0xda, }, - { .ptr_type = 1, .addr = 0x81000000, .val = 0xff, }, - { .ptr_type = 4, .addr = 0xb8001000, .val = 0x82216880, }, - { .ptr_type = 4, .addr = 0xb8001004, .val = 0x00295729, }, + { .ptr_type = 4, .addr = 0xb8001004, .val = 0x0076e83a, }, + { .ptr_type = 4, .addr = 0xb8001010, .val = 0x00000304, }, + { .ptr_type = 4, .addr = 0xb8001000, .val = 0x92210000, }, + { .ptr_type = 4, .addr = 0x80000f00, .val = 0x12344321, }, + { .ptr_type = 4, .addr = 0xb8001000, .val = 0xb2210000, }, + { .ptr_type = 1, .addr = 0x82000000, .val = 0xda, }, + { .ptr_type = 1, .addr = 0x83000000, .val = 0xda, }, + { .ptr_type = 1, .addr = 0x81000400, .val = 0xda, }, + { .ptr_type = 1, .addr = 0x80000333, .val = 0xda, }, + { .ptr_type = 4, .addr = 0xb8001000, .val = 0x92210000, }, + { .ptr_type = 4, .addr = 0x80000400, .val = 0x12344321, }, + { .ptr_type = 4, .addr = 0xb8001000, .val = 0xa2210000, }, + { .ptr_type = 4, .addr = 0x80000000, .val = 0x87654321, }, + { .ptr_type = 4, .addr = 0x80000000, .val = 0x87654321, }, + { .ptr_type = 4, .addr = 0xb8001000, .val = 0xb2210000, }, + { .ptr_type = 1, .addr = 0x80000233, .val = 0xda, }, + { .ptr_type = 1, .addr = 0x81000780, .val = 0xda, }, + { .ptr_type = 1, .addr = 0x81000400, .val = 0xda, }, + { .ptr_type = 4, .addr = 0xb8001000, .val = 0x82216080, }, { .ptr_type = 4, .addr = 0x53f80008, .val = 0x20034000, }, }; _______________________________________________ barebox mailing list barebox@lists.infradead.org http://lists.infradead.org/mailman/listinfo/barebox ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 13+ messages in thread
* Re: Barebox working on freescale-mx25-3-stack? 2010-03-24 14:54 ` Ivo Clarysse @ 2010-03-24 15:08 ` Matthias Kaehlcke 2010-03-24 15:23 ` Ivo Clarysse 0 siblings, 1 reply; 13+ messages in thread From: Matthias Kaehlcke @ 2010-03-24 15:08 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Ivo Clarysse; +Cc: barebox Hi Ivo, El Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 03:54:21PM +0100 Ivo Clarysse ha dit: > On Tue, Mar 23, 2010 at 5:22 PM, Matthias Kaehlcke > <matthias@kaehlcke.net> wrote: > > according to the board documentation it's DDR2 > > > > is this what barebox expects to find? > > > > I have an IMX25PDK with DDR2 memory (Samsung K4T51163QE-ZCE6). > > To boot barebox from an SD card, I had to apply the following patch to > the current HEAD (ce2411432e23b5cc313c92278b2320bf1547c002): after applying your patch barebox effectivly came up :) thanks a lot! could you explain in few words why the patch is needed? -- Matthias Kaehlcke Embedded Linux Developer Barcelona We build too many walls and not enough bridges (Isaac Newton) .''`. using free software / Debian GNU/Linux | http://debian.org : :' : `. `'` gpg --keyserver pgp.mit.edu --recv-keys 47D8E5D4 `- _______________________________________________ barebox mailing list barebox@lists.infradead.org http://lists.infradead.org/mailman/listinfo/barebox ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 13+ messages in thread
* Re: Barebox working on freescale-mx25-3-stack? 2010-03-24 15:08 ` Matthias Kaehlcke @ 2010-03-24 15:23 ` Ivo Clarysse 2010-03-24 15:30 ` Matthias Kaehlcke 0 siblings, 1 reply; 13+ messages in thread From: Ivo Clarysse @ 2010-03-24 15:23 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Matthias Kaehlcke; +Cc: barebox On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 4:08 PM, Matthias Kaehlcke <matthias@kaehlcke.net> wrote: > > after applying your patch barebox effectivly came up :) > > thanks a lot! > > could you explain in few words why the patch is needed? RAM initialization is implemented in two places: lowlevel_init.S and the "Device Configuration Data" (DCD) block. When booting from an SD card, the i.MX25 reads out the DCD block and applies the settings found there. The RAM initialization in lowlevel_init.S is skipped when booting from SD; by the time board_init_lowlevel gets executed, that routine is already running from RAM, and will skip initializing memory. The DCD table in barebox git contains entries for mDDR memory. This does not work with DDR2 memory. Probably barebox needs a compile-time option to switch between 128 MiB mDDR memory installed on older MCIMX25PDK CPU engine boards and the 64 MiB DDR2 memory found on newer boards. _______________________________________________ barebox mailing list barebox@lists.infradead.org http://lists.infradead.org/mailman/listinfo/barebox ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 13+ messages in thread
* Re: Barebox working on freescale-mx25-3-stack? 2010-03-24 15:23 ` Ivo Clarysse @ 2010-03-24 15:30 ` Matthias Kaehlcke 0 siblings, 0 replies; 13+ messages in thread From: Matthias Kaehlcke @ 2010-03-24 15:30 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Ivo Clarysse; +Cc: barebox hi ivo, El Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 04:23:33PM +0100 Ivo Clarysse ha dit: > On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 4:08 PM, Matthias Kaehlcke > <matthias@kaehlcke.net> wrote: > > > > after applying your patch barebox effectivly came up :) > > > > thanks a lot! > > > > could you explain in few words why the patch is needed? > > RAM initialization is implemented in two places: lowlevel_init.S and > the "Device Configuration Data" (DCD) block. > > When booting from an SD card, the i.MX25 reads out the DCD block and > applies the settings found there. > > The RAM initialization in lowlevel_init.S is skipped when booting from > SD; by the time board_init_lowlevel gets executed, > that routine is already running from RAM, and will skip initializing memory. > > The DCD table in barebox git contains entries for mDDR memory. This > does not work with DDR2 memory. > > Probably barebox needs a compile-time option to switch between 128 MiB > mDDR memory installed on older MCIMX25PDK CPU engine boards and the 64 > MiB DDR2 memory found on newer boards. thanks a lot for your explication! i wasn't aware that differently equipped CPU engine boards exists, good to know best regards -- Matthias Kaehlcke Embedded Linux Developer Barcelona Me lo contaron y lo olvidé, lo vi y lo entendí, lo hice y lo aprendí (Confucio) .''`. using free software / Debian GNU/Linux | http://debian.org : :' : `. `'` gpg --keyserver pgp.mit.edu --recv-keys 47D8E5D4 `- _______________________________________________ barebox mailing list barebox@lists.infradead.org http://lists.infradead.org/mailman/listinfo/barebox ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 13+ messages in thread
* Re: Barebox working on freescale-mx25-3-stack? 2010-03-23 15:09 ` Matthias Kaehlcke 2010-03-23 15:31 ` Eric Bénard @ 2010-03-23 15:31 ` Sascha Hauer 2010-03-23 16:13 ` Matthias Kaehlcke 1 sibling, 1 reply; 13+ messages in thread From: Sascha Hauer @ 2010-03-23 15:31 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Matthias Kaehlcke; +Cc: barebox On Tue, Mar 23, 2010 at 04:09:15PM +0100, Matthias Kaehlcke wrote: > hi sascha, > > El Tue, Mar 23, 2010 at 03:26:43PM +0100 Sascha Hauer ha dit: > > > On Tue, Mar 23, 2010 at 02:32:17PM +0100, Matthias Kaehlcke wrote: > > > hi, > > > > > > i'm trying to run barebox on a Freescale i.MX25 3-Stack board. for > > > this purpose i built barebox with the freescale-mx25-3-stack > > > defconfig, using the toolchain provided by the Freescale BSP (i also > > > tried it with a custom one). i then dumped the barebox.bin on a MMC > > > card, plugged the card into the socket of the board and switched the > > > board on, but nothing happened :( > > > > I just checked, it works, but not with the current defconfig. Please > > enable CONFIG_ARCH_IMX_INTERNAL_BOOT to boot from MMC. Note that > > currently the CPLD is not initialised in barebox and so the FEC is not > > working (It is working if barebox runs as a second stage loader after > > Freescales redboot). > > thanks for checking and for your reply > > i enabled CONFIG_ARCH_IMX_INTERNAL_BOOT, but it doesn't work either. i > also tried to start barebox from NAND, but no way :( > > the barebox version is v2010.03.0, i forgot to mention that in my > initial post > > if you can send me the barebox image that works on your board i'll > check if it works on mine, and we'll have some more certainty about > whether there is some obscure problem in my build process or my board > is somehow different to yours I sent the image to you in private. Here are my dip switch settings, I don't know which of them are important: On the baseboard: sw22: 00000000 sw21: 11000000 On the Debug board: sw5 .. SW10: 0 Sascha -- Pengutronix e.K. | | Industrial Linux Solutions | http://www.pengutronix.de/ | Peiner Str. 6-8, 31137 Hildesheim, Germany | Phone: +49-5121-206917-0 | Amtsgericht Hildesheim, HRA 2686 | Fax: +49-5121-206917-5555 | _______________________________________________ barebox mailing list barebox@lists.infradead.org http://lists.infradead.org/mailman/listinfo/barebox ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 13+ messages in thread
* Re: Barebox working on freescale-mx25-3-stack? 2010-03-23 15:31 ` Sascha Hauer @ 2010-03-23 16:13 ` Matthias Kaehlcke 0 siblings, 0 replies; 13+ messages in thread From: Matthias Kaehlcke @ 2010-03-23 16:13 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Sascha Hauer; +Cc: barebox El Tue, Mar 23, 2010 at 04:31:48PM +0100 Sascha Hauer ha dit: > On Tue, Mar 23, 2010 at 04:09:15PM +0100, Matthias Kaehlcke wrote: > > i enabled CONFIG_ARCH_IMX_INTERNAL_BOOT, but it doesn't work either. i > > also tried to start barebox from NAND, but no way :( > > > > the barebox version is v2010.03.0, i forgot to mention that in my > > initial post > > > > if you can send me the barebox image that works on your board i'll > > check if it works on mine, and we'll have some more certainty about > > whether there is some obscure problem in my build process or my board > > is somehow different to yours > > I sent the image to you in private. Here are my dip switch settings, I > don't know which of them are important: > > On the baseboard: > sw22: 00000000 > sw21: 11000000 > > On the Debug board: > > sw5 .. SW10: 0 thanks for the image and your dip switch settings (mine are the same) i flashed the image (first at MMC then at NAND), the board still doesn't come up :( i'm running out of ideas at this point. there must be some difference in our hardware, as it clearly works on your board but not on mine for the moment i'll stick with u-boot ... thanks for your help -- Matthias Kaehlcke Embedded Linux Developer Barcelona Si deseas mantener tu libertad, debes estar preparado para defenderla (Richard Stallman) .''`. using free software / Debian GNU/Linux | http://debian.org : :' : `. `'` gpg --keyserver pgp.mit.edu --recv-keys 47D8E5D4 `- _______________________________________________ barebox mailing list barebox@lists.infradead.org http://lists.infradead.org/mailman/listinfo/barebox ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 13+ messages in thread
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